Comments on: When You Should Hire a Dev Shop (other than “never”) http://bhargreaves.com/2010/03/hire-dev-shop-other-never/ a blog by Brad Hargreaves Sun, 05 Sep 2010 21:15:00 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Matt S Trout http://bhargreaves.com/2010/03/hire-dev-shop-other-never/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Matt S Trout Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:57:08 +0000 http://bhargreaves.com/?p=74#comment-46 I was mulling over this, since I agree that "never" is definitely a good answer for core product development and yet a lot of the companies my team helps improve their development process and surmount technical challenges -are- startups. I ended up writing my thoughts up at: http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/hire-a-dev-shop-too/ Hopefully they provide some perspective from the POV of a different sort of development shop. I was mulling over this, since I agree that “never” is definitely a good answer for core product development and yet a lot of the companies my team helps improve their development process and surmount technical challenges -are- startups. I ended up writing my thoughts up at:

http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/hire-a-dev-shop-too/

Hopefully they provide some perspective from the POV of a different sort of development shop.

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]]> By: bonnie sandy http://bhargreaves.com/2010/03/hire-dev-shop-other-never/comment-page-1/#comment-41 bonnie sandy Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:00:25 +0000 http://bhargreaves.com/?p=74#comment-41 I actually see both sides of the issue. There actually need three elements The entrepreneur who can see opportunity and is willing to do the work necessary to develop a company that "solves the pain or adds pleasure', the web developer who understands the technology, and someone with experience and expertise in the particular area being addressed, who can guide the development of the product to meet needs. Too many web startups are creating products without any real knowledge of the understanding (or definition) of the consumer and how they will use this product. They focus is on getting "investors' without addressing who where and why of the consumers component... vital info for actually building an app that works. They then expect the developers to create a product meets the needs of their users! I have seen promising products fail simply because of the notion that the developer would solve the (wrongly -identified) problem. NYC is full of small businesses with expertise in many areas, who need the products that the tech community can design. the challenge is "bridging the divide" and getting the startups out of the tech bubble. I met recently with a startup that has an interesting and potentially lucrative product, the problem it was difficult for average consumer to use! The developers worked with their sole focus on "early adapters and the tech proficient" for a product they hope to eventually sell to the mainstream market! On the other hand I've heard some brilliant idea from folks with no connection to the tech startup community, but have needs for the survival of their businesses, and when the option is a web host(or reseller) or a developer I'll direct them to the developer! I actually see both sides of the issue. There actually need three elements The entrepreneur who can see opportunity and is willing to do the work necessary to develop a company that “solves the pain or adds pleasure’, the web developer who understands the technology, and someone with experience and expertise in the particular area being addressed, who can guide the development of the product to meet needs. Too many web startups are creating products without any real knowledge of the understanding (or definition) of the consumer and how they will use this product. They focus is on getting “investors’ without addressing who where and why of the consumers component… vital info for actually building an app that works. They then expect the developers to create a product meets the needs of their users! I have seen promising products fail simply because of the notion that the developer would solve the (wrongly -identified) problem. NYC is full of small businesses with expertise in many areas, who need the products that the tech community can design. the challenge is “bridging the divide” and getting the startups out of the tech bubble. I met recently with a startup that has an interesting and potentially lucrative product, the problem it was difficult for average consumer to use! The developers worked with their sole focus on “early adapters and the tech proficient” for a product they hope to eventually sell to the mainstream market! On the other hand I’ve heard some brilliant idea from folks with no connection to the tech startup community, but have needs for the survival of their businesses, and when the option is a web host(or reseller) or a developer I’ll direct them to the developer!

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]]> By: Website Design Company http://bhargreaves.com/2010/03/hire-dev-shop-other-never/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Website Design Company Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:54:34 +0000 http://bhargreaves.com/?p=74#comment-39 This is our experience that in some cases customers are not clear themselves that what they want, they just tell the company that what is the objective of this app development and know this is depend on the designers and developers that how the convert their idea to reality.(and customer always has the right to change the design as its imaginations). This is our experience that in some cases customers are not clear themselves that what they want, they just tell the company that what is the objective of this app development and know this is depend on the designers and developers that how the convert their idea to reality.(and customer always has the right to change the design as its imaginations).

]]> By: Brad Hargreaves http://bhargreaves.com/2010/03/hire-dev-shop-other-never/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Brad Hargreaves Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:32:22 +0000 http://bhargreaves.com/?p=74#comment-35 <a href="#comment-34" rel="nofollow">@Michael Schubert</a> There are certainly great agile dev shops (and Pivotal is one of them), but most of the entrepreneurs I'm addressing here aren't debating between great agile dev shops. In fact, there are a lot of entrepreneurs with money and an idea who don't even know what agile development is. I'm talking to them. <a href="#comment-31" rel="nofollow">@Tony Pitale</a> In my experience, there are a lot more dev shops out there that focus on a quick buck than good ones that try to build lasting relationships with entrepreneurs. That doesn't mean the latter doesn't exist, and I pointed out Pivotal above as one that bucks the trend. Your mileage may vary. @Michael Schubert There are certainly great agile dev shops (and Pivotal is one of them), but most of the entrepreneurs I’m addressing here aren’t debating between great agile dev shops. In fact, there are a lot of entrepreneurs with money and an idea who don’t even know what agile development is. I’m talking to them.

@Tony Pitale In my experience, there are a lot more dev shops out there that focus on a quick buck than good ones that try to build lasting relationships with entrepreneurs. That doesn’t mean the latter doesn’t exist, and I pointed out Pivotal above as one that bucks the trend. Your mileage may vary.

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